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#1 2008-01-18 17:58:50

beachbumlinz
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Is Colonix a Scam??

I was going to get colonix indefinetely because of all the great reviews online- then I got into a conversation with a nurse... this is what she said:

"I am disgusted with the scare tactics that are used to frighten people and play upon their ignorance so that people think there is something inside them that needs to be 'cleaned' (to the point where some almost go crazy about it).  And even more scary--some of the anecdotes on that site could quite possibly be people with a bowel cancer who are not getting it treated early enough (black stools usually mean bleeding high in the bowel (or can be from ingestion of iron pills).  If someone were to have parasites (like tapeworm, hookworm, pinworm) this wouldn't get rid of them, it's not that easy.  The mucous or the green stools serves to tell that the bowel is being irritated by the 'detox' stuff.  This so-called medication stuff is also probably the source of the unusual composition of the stools--not the other way around.

That is very worrisome in itself--wonder if anyone has had an appendicitis after ingestion, or colitis or diverticulitis flareups. 

As one who has administered numerous enemas I can tell you that there is very little in the large bowel after an enema--certainly nothing which has been there for 'years', which is laughable.  Otherwise a surgeon could not see the walls of the large bowel during a sigmoidoscopy."

I am just wondering what everyont else thinks, or if anyone here is a doctor or in the medical field at all that can vouch for this or argue it??  Thanks a bunch!!

BeachBum

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#2 2008-01-21 00:20:52

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

I didn't find the Colonix approach to be a scare tactic. If you've ever seen parasites actually come from your own body, that's scary! Been there, done that!

I have visited with nurses who do regular colon cleanse programs. Not all got along with the Colonix brand but felt definite benefits from the program they did use.

Periodically, Animal Planet has run a fascinating show called "Eaten Alive" which is all about parasites and the various ways they can impact the body. It is somewhat graphic but educational.  You may learn more than you ever wanted to know but left unchecked their impact can be davastating.

Parasites can affect far more than the colon. My pathology book show "cysts" in various organs (liver, brain) which at the center of these growths was a parasite.

Since exposure to parasites can come from a number of sources including undercooked meat, larvae on fruits and vegetables, contaminated water, other people with inadequate washing habits, our pets and/or other animals that are not dewormed but defecate on the soil you may dig in to plant your flowers, the likelihood of exposure seems pretty likely.

Prior to antibiotics, herbs would have been the next best defense against such critters. In some places it is the drug of choice.

Below is a web page that shows a picture of impacted feces in the diverticuli of the colon. I think some of the stringy, grapelike stools people see that are hard and rubbery are some of those pockets being assisted by the herbs and fiber of the product. I saw that sort of result from my body and felt reactions in other parts of my body as I was detoxing.

http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MEdEd/ … litis3.htm

There will always be those who doubt a treatment whether conventional or alternative. But many of us have reaped good benefits by using the products and will continue to do so based on personal experience.

So, that's my two cents worth! smile

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#3 2008-01-22 23:52:22

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Just an added update for anyone interested in the above mentioned show on Animal Planet. I was checking for the next showing and found a page that lists when it runs and offers an email reminder to anyone interested in seeing it. The next airings are Feb 22, 23 and 26.

http://animal.discovery.com/tv-schedule … .85725.0.0

Be warned, it's not for the faint of heart but may give additional understanding of parasites.

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#4 2008-01-23 15:20:26

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

I suppose as with any knowledge, there is a potential for abuse.  That's what I like about this site - it is an independent exchange of information that is not endorsed or controlled by a company benefitting from the sale of their product.  Just as I wouldn't buy a car without researching first, I went into my cleanse only after researching and reading a lot of reviews from other people.  Could they be faked?  Sure.  But there is an overwhelming amount of information out there, and ultimately we each have to look at the evidence and decide for ourselves.

If you read through the posts on this site, you'll find that many people have turned to colon cleansing as a possible solution because they did seek medical attention and were not helped.  Many people also experienced chronic constipation and other problems that went away during the cleanse.

Regarding what the nurse said, green stools don't necessarily mean irritation to the digestive system.  Google "green stools" and you'll see a number of causes.  And it's true that black stools can be from bleeding, but wouldn't you see them all the time then, instead of just when you are doing the cleanse?  Given all the little folds and pockets in the intestines, I don't think it is a stretch that stuff gets stuck to the insides, especially if you aren't consuming enough water and fiber to push it through.  If you don't bathe, you eventually get dirty.  Why would it be any different inside your body?

For anyone concerned about colorectal cancer, of course, you should get it checked out.  About 148,300 Americans (1 in 1,834 or .0005) are diagnosed with it every year.  Just for comparison, the incidence of chronic constipation (a big reason people do cleanses like this) is about 17%, or 1 in 6 (http://ibs.about.com/b/2007/12/03/incid … pation.htm).  Personally, I wonder if a high-fiber diet and being more regular could help prevent colon cancer, but as with anything, there is a lot of information out there.  I guess if anyone knew for sure, it wouldn't still be a problem.

For some, I think a big question is whether Colonix is worth the high price tag.  I've already seen some very positive things from my cleanse, and I'm only on Day 9.  But maybe you can get that with a $10 jar of psyllium and some Senna tea.  For me, I definitely feel like Colonix has been a positive experience.

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#5 2008-01-23 17:20:05

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Thanks for all your input!  It is definetely helping me shape my opinion - oh and just to clear something up i am confident that the testimonials are from real people!  But the only real concern I have is if the colonix is creating all the bad stuff that's coming out of your body instead of cleaning the bad stuff thats already there.  I guess natural medicine and conventional (?) medicine will always have arguements on which one is better - both sides seem to say that the other is bad for a lot of issues.  When I told the same nurse about using ear candles she had only negative things to say, but i felt great and I know many people who have benefited from ear candling and no one who has suffered from it.  I think it is very important to reseach something before trying!

Thanks again guys!

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#6 2008-01-23 18:15:03

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

I agree that there will always be positive and negative on both side of most things. I think what is hard for me is when things are presented as absolutes - like - "you must take homone replacement until you're 99" (I don't think so!) or "you will need to take Prilosec for the rest of your life" (again, with a complacent blank stare and smile, I don't think so!!) Never mind the frightening list of side effects  of many FDA approved meds often recited in tv ads in a soft, gentle voice.

I think western medicine has it's place as does alternative care but I think more and more people are trying to take responsibility for their own health and aren't as easily swayed to take their doctor's advice as in the past. 

For acute conditions that may require the help of antibiotics or surgery, I appreciate having options available but it seems that many chronic, annoying conditions are not often helped by traditional medicines approach and people are desperate to find solutions. Which leads many of us to forums like this one. Just ordinary people sharing their experience, for better or worse.

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#7 2008-01-24 11:16:07

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

I keep thinking about the whole “colon cleansing is a scam” point of view…some of the “evidence” is based on the fact that a lot of programs include psyllium which is a bulking agent, and if left in a glass it gets all glutinous and rubbery and takes the shape of the container it is in (either a glass or our bowels) just like the supposed stuff people get out of their bowels…so, it must be fake. But I’ve tried several fibre supplements and none of them worked like Colonix. I’ve taken other fibre supplements for months on end and had none of the weird rubbery stuff come out of me.

As far as the theory that our bodies are perfect and perfectly able of cleaning themselves so there is no need whatsoever to ever use a colon cleanser or do a detox of any kind, consider this: A dishwasher is a self-cleaning machine, in theory, it should never need to be cleaned. For the most part that is correct. As long as one pre-rinses most of the really bad gunk off and uses a good dishwashing formula, the dishwasher does stay pretty clean inside. However, if one loads really gunky dishes, greasy pots and pains, or uses a cheaper detergent you find the inside of your dishwasher doesn’t stay clean…the filter gets clogged, slimy and yucky. After a while the glasses look cloudy and not clean. If one keeps up the routine of bad maintenance then the dishwasher becomes really inefficient at cleaning itself and the dishes are still dirty but in a different sort of way.

Yes, our bodies are fantastic at self-cleaning, but we do not help by not chewing properly, or eating lesser quality foods. If we only ever at real food, not highly processed, preservative filled, fake crap we probably would never need a colon cleansing. However, like most Americans, I have had more than my fair share of nuclear-colored snack foods that resembled plastic more closely than actual food. In fact, like most curious children, I’ve probably eaten plastic, or play dough or glue once or twice in my crazy lifetime. I’ve also had my fair share of medications coated or filled with all sorts of not-quite-digestible ingredients including shellac, silicon, and wax…yummy! It makes me feel so much healthier just thinking about it.

If all I ever ate was good food, properly prepared I would never need a colon cleanse, but I don’t always eat properly…so, I believe my body needs extra help sometimes.

Of course, I am also one of those wacky people who buy a dishwasher cleaner and run an empty dishwasher with nothing but the cleaner, to keep it clean and working properly…so, perhaps I’m just crazy!

Best of health to you!

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#8 2008-01-24 22:20:01

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You make some good points!

And beachbumlinz, (how do you guys come up with these names! I'm not as imaginative as I thought!) thanks for your input. I wish you well in your journey!

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#9 2008-02-03 07:33:49

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Most nurses I know are among the unhealthiest people I know, and most doctors are suspicious of anything herbal, rather than pharmaceutical, so I think that I will rely on anecdotal evidence and personal experience for my info, not just one "expert" opinion.
All our major organs become damaged, or toxic with repeated exposure to things it doesn't like, so why not the colon, the major channel for toxin release in the body?
Lungs hang onto tar even after a person has quit smoking, arteries become plugged with fatty deposits, skin remains damaged after past skin damage, liver/gallbladder gets stones after years of lifestyle factors, so it makes sense to me that a long, winding, convoluted pipe that normally channels waste is likely to become gunked up.
I think that a bunch of people leaving posts like this, with nothing to gain whether you do a colon cleanse or not, is a pretty reliable source of info.

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#10 2008-02-05 20:00:16

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Being on Day 14 and realizing that Colonix is NOT a miracle cure...here are my observations:
Most of the "miraclulous" results are actually based on the itnake of more water. Clearer skin, energy gain, some other problems clearning up.
The rest can be attributed to psyllium fibre more than the product itself. It's a fact some people don't get enough fibre, and you see a dramatic change when you take it in. ESPECIALLY if you follow the more fruits and veggies diet they talk about.
I don't think that Colonix, like osme people suggested is a scam in the sense that they put products that look like parasites when they are evacuated.
I do think, however, that they should be more straigh forward about how their products affect the body. Those pictures are not crusty old stuff that was lying around..most of the bulk is the Colonix fibre. They don't deny it, but they don't explain it either.

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#11 2008-02-06 02:04:21

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Bettypoop, I'm sorry your not getting the results you were hoping for. Since your personal thread indicates you are relatively active and have a pretty good diet, your reaction may not be as profound initially. Some people have used the program 3-5 weeks before seeing more obvious changes. And a few people don't seem to notice much of anything. Not unlike various meds used to treat a condition. Some people do great on one pill, others are allergic to it, another considers it useless for them. It doesn't mean the product is worthless, it just doesn't work for them.

There is a caution about not drinking too much water and diluting the effects of the fiber. Usually 64 oz is adequate.

I personally feel the benefits I received from the program were related to clearing out the gunk and the added affect of the many herbs added to the fiber aside from the Paranil. Many who have tried other fibers don't get the same results they get from Colonix. That's why my husband continues to use it.

Foody-2-shoes: Thanks for your input! I agree with your assessment of body damage. Add to that prolonged stress  and sneaky chronic viral loads lurking in many people it would seem  likely we'll  all need extra help now and then.

Wish you all wellness!

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#12 2008-02-18 09:23:38

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

one dog: I noticed you posted on my thread and this one...just wanted to say I'm not trying to diss Dr.Natura here...none of us would have bought it in the first place if we didn't think it could do some good. You are right, I didn't see the crusty stuff. However, I'm not sure if you tried the program or not but your BM's shape definately changes. The psyllium fibre absorbs the water to form pockets that are linked by threads because of the digestive process. This is normal, and happens with any fibre supplement (metamucil etc). I;m not saying there's not gunk that comes out of people's bodies at the same time as the fibre does...I'm saying that the bulk of it is just the fibre making it's way out, as it should. I'm wondering why you are so skeptical of my experience...did you try it and had great results because if that's the case, do share!

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#13 2008-02-19 09:10:14

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Just a thought...I just started the fiber/tea yesterday, so I to am like many of you looking to better my body and clean out the crap that I eat. I love the dishwasher analogy, but I have a even closer one......A baby! Born with a healthy, unscathed, unaltered digestive system.
Anyone who has changed a babies diaper for one day you'll understand where I'm coming from. You'd be amazed at what the body is born to do, can and will do. Everthing you eat effects you. Being the mother of 2, and having one thats only 18 months, this kid poops 3 plus times a day, has tons of energy and eats only whole foods.  I am amazed how what he eats shows in his "healthy poop". But what scared  me and opened my eyes  was what happened this last week when he was sick with a cold. His doctor suggested I give him something with electrolytes( ie.gatorade,pedilyte etc.) so  with much apprehension, but wanting to follow a peditricians "trained" advice, I  opted for grape gartorade since he loves grape juice.  OMG  after his first round of gatored my son had bright green, blue, purple poop~I have never seen such a color like it~Thanks to the many variety of dyes I made him ingest.  I was so disgusted. I thought, what  we are putting in our bodies ,if not truly ALL natural, is beyond scary, it's almost criminal, and  that companies could put such toxic stuff in what we consume and sell it without a warning label.  Anways in short, are bodies are born with a heathy digestive system and over the years we break them down, and they don't function properly~We are what we eat, and my baby anaolgy is true science/proof to me that I've done my body wrong. I figure by doing this program, it won't hurt me, it's natural, all I want is to get myself back on track like a baby~he eats then poops, eats then poops~what goes in does come out, and he eats very healthy natural food~I just wonder where all my crap is because it hardly ever comes out? I'm sick of unheathy, dyed, toxic chemicals~so I hope this system works to get me back on the right track, with the added benefit of myself eating better, consuming a healthy amount of water, excercise. What can you lose by adding healthy things into your diet and life, how can this program hurt~it's all natural.

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#14 2008-02-19 13:24:56

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

I agree that it's nice that there is no "chemicals" in the Colonix cleanse, but I think it's important to be aware that even natural products can potentially be harmful when taken in large doses. Senna (used in the Kleritea) is not recommended for long term use by health care practicioners everywhere..and I know that modern medecine isn't always the best guideline to go to, but it is important to do some research. Peoplt that follow COlonix for 3 months, even with the recommended "breaks" need to know the possible side effects.
Googling Senna brings up a lot of scientific articles, including this one: http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/heal … 7_tea.html

I think taking the tea a couple of times a week should be safe...which is what I decided to do. Dr Natura has the same recommendation for people that are going on a regular basis.

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#15 2008-02-24 21:26:03

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

One dog: Again, I'm not saying that the fibre isn't taking out gunk with it as it makes it's way out. I'm saying that I think the BULK of the feces is new matter and not "leftovers" that was in the colon. You can think otherwise, that's fine. 

All I can go against is my own experience. I'm on Day 31 now. I noticed depending on my diet and water intake throughout the day, I either get totally normal looking poo or ones connected by the stingy kinda link in most pictures.  All I know is that the daily tea did NOT work for me at all and i'm doing better without taking it each day.

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#16 2008-02-24 23:10:58

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

I think everyone is different and I came to this conclusion after reading everyones stories. For me I have seen some pretty gross and old looking stuff and I have felt much better and more energic then ever before. One guy said it took 2 months for him to notice a difference! I'm going to try it for 3 months and see what the outcome is! I hope it works better for you bettypoop, but maybe your colon is not as unhealthy as mine?

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#17 2008-04-26 00:06:41

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Re: Is Colonix a Scam??

Let me start by saying that I just purchased the system for my wife and I. We should be receiving it next week some time and I will definitely be keeping a journal on this site. I purchased this product based on a review from a trusted and pretty weird friend.

I asked him about the long mucus stuff that people were showing pictures of and I brought up the point about the product causing it. I am in agreement with him that the product itself causes most of the mucus strains in the poop. Now that being said and as stated above, he is a weird dude. He took one out of the toilet and proceeded to dissect it (I was not present if you were wondering). He told me that it was very jelly like but in the big parts it had what looked like hard and old poop (I love that word and I am 30 years old heh). So even though we do not thing the jelly/gluey like substance is coming from his body, but from the product itself, it IS carrying a bunch of stuff it gathered along the way. So I am satisfied with that assumption.

Parasites, we do not live in a third world country. The parasites in our bodies are more then likely microscopic. We take in tons of antibiotics in almost any meat we eat; I would be very surprised if I saw a real tape worm or any other worm come out of my body. However, I have no doubt that many will be excreted during this process in a microscopic form.

Now to the reason I decided to go with this program. One, it is an easy regiment to follow. Two, I like the fact it has a glue type substance to grab onto miscellaneous poop (Did I mention I love that word?). Three and most importantly is the shear amount of poop (Again heh).

My daily diet consists of this almost exactly. In the morning I drink and eat no food. For lunch I will eat one of the following items; $6 Burger combo from Carls Jr., A Large Peppercorn Prime Rib Sub with a side of Chili from Quiznoes, or a Double bacon Cheese Burger from Zorba’s. For Dinner I eat Red meat of some kind with potatoes and corn, sometimes I have asparagus. During the day I drink Iced un-sweeted tea.

Now given that is my daily regiment EVERY day, I only poop () 2 times for every 3 days on average I would think. Sometimes once a day and sometimes once every 2 days, so I think 2 out of 3 days is a good average. Now my friend goes 2 – 3 times a day all healthy sizes.

All of my input and very little output while he eats far more healthy than me and has triple my output. He also noticed that his gut has gotten far smaller. We attribute this to the amount of poop () no longer residing in his gut. By the way, his diet has not changed and he increased his output by 1 – 2 a day. The solid matter (Not the glue stuff) had to come from somewhere it did not come from a spoonful of fiber and a couple pills.

My expectations:

•    At 5’8” 225lbs and a gut that feels solid but large, a loss of waist size is expected.
•    I expect more energy as I have absolutely 0 energy right now (Do not lecture me about my crappy diet, I know it is real bad)
•    I am also doing the Toxinout system, and I exect it to help clear out my liver a bit.
•    Become more regular (I have tried adding fiber to my diet but it has not done anything special). I have hopes for this mixture as I am not looking for a laxative.
•    Hoping for healthier skin, (I think this will happen due to the water intake and detox combined)
•    Less stomach problem (I have a bit of gas as of this last year and I am not happy with it)

That is my take and I will keep you updated.

Ray

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